Curse

h9dlb · Feb 11, 2008, 01:03 PM // 13:03

Well I have all the campaigns and been playing for 18 months, of which I have spent the last 6 months running a Hundred Blades build and more recently a typical Dragonslash build as a paragon secondary. I thought DS could not be beaten, specifically because of the ability to spam the elite skill. However I have recently started trialling an axe using a triple chop build with a rit secondary - and its great fun tanking and doing massive AOE damage.

I don't know if technically the DS build is better than the triple chop build, but running an axe does seem to be pretty good, hovever it also seems to need more energy to run.

Stormlord Alex · Feb 11, 2008, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by h9dlb

I don't know if technically the DS build is better than the triple chop build, but running an axe does seem to be pretty good, hovever it also seems to need more energy to run.

Triple Chop builds deal more raw (AoE) damage than DSlash. If you've got an invincigon or another warrior already covering "SY!", then a TChop is a great template for owning face (though I prefer Earthshaker in these situations for mob lockdown).

However, as the sole warrior in a bad PuG/ H+H group, being able to spam "SY!" with DSlash (as well as brawling headbutt for single-target knock-lock) is, generally speaking, infinitely more valuable. Invincibility is /win.

Fern Burntfist · Feb 11, 2008, 02:44 PM // 14:44

I used to wield a hammer in pve, not very long though.

Yukito Kunisaki · Feb 11, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

The super high pressure dps of a sword and the 'whoa where'd my hp suddenly go' spiking of the axe...

Two different worlds of fun. I like the axe too ^_^

Trvth Jvstice · Feb 11, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00

[skill]eviscerate[/skill] [skill]executioner's strike[/skill] ftw

Dutch Masterr · Feb 11, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

The unconditional deep wound offered from [skill]dismember[/skill] and [skill]eviscerate[/skill] makes axe my weapon of choice =D

Jetdoc · Feb 11, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

I've always been an axe warrior and have a deep affection for Deep Wound.

Coloneh · Feb 11, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

[skill]eviscerate[/skill] [skill]executioner's strike[/skill] ftw

bahaha

not in PvE

alex put it nicely, when you already have an imbagon triple, cyclone, whirlwind, splinter, dismember becomes rediculous

blue.rellik · Feb 12, 2008, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

bahaha

not in PvE

alex put it nicely, when you already have an imbagon triple, cyclone, whirlwind, splinter, dismember becomes rediculous

Eviscerate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TChop in the smaller areas

Mr None · Feb 12, 2008, 02:11 PM // 14:11

If its a PvE warrior, then the highest damage build would be

Zealous Axe +

[skill]Triple Chop[/skill][skill]Cyclone Axe[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Dismember[/skill]

Add an inscreased attack speed stance, agro first and redistribute the joy and happiness to mindless mobs that sorround you

tipiak · Feb 12, 2008, 02:32 PM // 14:32

Take a zealous weapon with an IAS and [skill]triple chop[/skill] + Whirlwind Attack + [skill]splinter weapon[/skill] + [skill]nightmare weapon[/skill] -> FTW

Mr None · Feb 12, 2008, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Eviscerate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TChop in the smaller areas

Eviscerate was simply the best warrior elite in game... before factions came out. Now it's only the third best warrior elite after Triple Chop and Dragon Slash

Not only Triple Chop does more damage to a single target (after Eviscerate got nerfed) it scales with more affected targets. I am not taking deep wound into concideration here since you can apply it with dismember (and we all know DW isnt technically a damage and it doesnt kill). Sometimes, when my team carries lots of conditions, i run this and have great fun with it:

[skill]Triple Chop[/skill][skill]Cyclone Axe[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Dismember[/skill][skill]Epidemic[/skill] + Whirlwind Attack + Drunken Master

Grammar · Feb 12, 2008, 06:26 PM // 18:26

The damage nerf to Eviscerate was irrelevant.
The REAL nerf to Eviscerate was the buff to Dismember (from 7A to 5A). Eviscerate became a PvP-only skill the day that happened.

As for the axe vs. swords in PvE debate, I prefer swords because of all the disgusting PvE skills that you can power with DS.
I also don't like how running an AoE axe build makes me play. It's hard to explain, but it's sort of the same thing that happened to my ranger when I used to run Barrage. The AoE mentality starts to mess around with your target selection. Instead of targeting enemies based on their importance, you start targeting enemies based on their proximity to other enemies in order to achieve the best AoE effect possible. This is especially the case when you base a build around a skill like Splinter Weapon, which not only encourages AoE targeting, it requires it.

The saving grace for axe in PvE in terms of single-target damage is Dismember, which is a really, really good skill.
I'll sometimes run a Triple Chop + Dismember build in certain areas of PvE because it's more stable than a DS build. But when I know I'll be free to do my thing without disruption, DS really can't be beat.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Feb 12, 2008, 06:26 PM // 18:26

i still love the whole idea of splinter and triple chop fun

blue.rellik · Feb 13, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

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Originally Posted by Mr None

Eviscerate was simply the best warrior elite in game... before factions came out. Now it's only the third best warrior elite after Triple Chop and Dragon Slash

Please no blanket statements. Why would you even consider DSlash or 3Chop for PvP?

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Not only Triple Chop does more damage to a single target (after Eviscerate got nerfed) it scales with more affected targets. I am not taking deep wound into concideration here since you can apply it with dismember (and we all know DW isnt technically a damage and it doesnt kill).

3Chop is usable once every 10 seconds, flat-out. You may be lucky and get a morale boost and be able to use it again but 99% of the time, 3Chop is +34 damage every 10 seconds. Eviscerate is adrenaline based and thus can be charged much faster, a orders character charging out Dark Fury means it's charged in 4 hits or roughly every 5seconds or something.

Also it's one single skill that compresses Dismember + Executioner's (with a little less damage).

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Sometimes, when my team carries lots of conditions, i run this and have great fun with it:

[skill]Triple Chop[/skill][skill]Cyclone Axe[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Dismember[/skill][skill]Epidemic[/skill] + Whirlwind Attack + Drunken Master

I like to read posts. It means I don't go straw-man as often. I was talking about smaller areas (aka 4-man and maybe 6-man), aka areas where it's pretty hard to get a decent number of enemies around you. Since the only small areas that matter are in HM where it's much harder to hold aggro (as the grawl front-liners enjoy running to smash the squishes and whatnot) then you're not as likely to get the balling effect.

Also your skill-bar is pretty damn energy heavy, unless you're running a zealous and hitting a good amount of enemies each time then...meh.

LockerLoad · Feb 13, 2008, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Please no blanket statements. Why would you even consider DSlash or 3Chop for PvP?

The Campfire
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You fail.

blue.rellik · Feb 13, 2008, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by LockerLoad

The Campfire
PvE Builds and Discussion
Share your strategies, experience and tips here for builds and groups for PvE.

You fail.

I was unaware that it was illegal to talk about PvP here

I mean since it's PvE then why are we even talking about anything other than DSlash?

Coloneh · Feb 13, 2008, 05:26 AM // 05:26

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Eviscerate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TChop in the smaller areas

like imperial sanctum? there arent very many areas with 1 foe. in areas with more than 1, triple chop wins

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

I was unaware that it was illegal to talk about PvP here

I mean since it's PvE then why are we even talking about anything other than DSlash?

because triple chop is better?

Yichi · Feb 13, 2008, 05:38 AM // 05:38

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

because triple chop is better?

not always, but please go on thinking that...

LockerLoad · Feb 13, 2008, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

I was unaware that it was illegal to talk about PvP here

I mean since it's PvE then why are we even talking about anything other than DSlash?

First read the forum description, then try CTRL/F "PVP" on this thread.

Finally try to refrain from obvious Red Herrings and Straw Man statements.